Thus Spake Nietzsche:
by bondservant
(790 views) - 2/12/05
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"And on the other hand, would it be possible, with the most refined ingenuity, to devise a more dangerous bait? To devise something which could even approach the seductive, intoxicating anaesthetizing, and corrupting power of that symbol of the 'holy cross', that horrific paradox of the 'crucified God', that mystery of an inconceivably ultimate, most extreme cruelty and self-crucifixion undertaken for the salvation of mankind?" I.viii

"Indeed, the prospect that the complete and definitive victory of atheism might redeem mankind entirely from this feeling of indebtedness towards its origins [ie, God], it causa prima, cannot be dismissed. Atheism and a kind of second innocence belong together.--" II.xx

"the creditor sacrificing himself for his debtor, out of love (are we supposed to believe this?--), out of love for his debtor!..." II.xxi

"All great things are the cause of their own destruction, an act of self-cancelation: the law of life, the law of necessary 'self-overcoming' which is the essence of life, wills it so--ultimately, the call goes out to the legislator himself: 'patere legem, quam ipse tulisti'." III.xxvii

All quotations from Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, translated by Douglas Smith (Oxford Press). The bold is my addition.
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Patere legem, quam ipse tulisti means 'submit to the law which you yourself have decreed.'

In case you were wondering (don't worry, I didn't know that one off hand, either).

::at your service::
   [bondservant (J) 2/12/05 4:44 AM]

I'm thinking I should pick up some Nietzsche. Any suggestions?

   [disillusioned (J:: M) 2/12/05 4:48 AM]

Genealogy of Morals is not where I'd start. In the book he quotes from Thus Spake Zarathustra and The Gay Science both of which sound really interesting. I don't know much about Nietzsche, but the next one I'll read will probably be Thus Spake Zarathustra.

Hope that is at least somewhat useful.

::at your service::
   [bondservant (J) 2/12/05 7:55 AM]

I started with The Gay Science and would recommend that. From the Gay Science comes the "God is dead" allegory that strongly impacted society and summarizes the "thesis" of almost all of his stuff. My favorite quote from him is "Be the Poet of Your life" which has become my life "motto" as seen in my bio.

Have fun - I know I have!

If there is anyone out there who would like to discuss the God is Dead allegory just drop me a note! It is one of my favorites (and yes I am a devout Christian).

   [dubitably (J) 2/12/05 6:34 PM]

Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna pick that up, then.

Whilst searching for stuff on Nietzsche, I found this gem:

Graffiti seen on a wall on The Underground:

'God is dead'- Nietzsche

And underneath:

'Nietzsche is dead' - God.

Made my laugh out loud a spell.

You can always IM me, *explain* to me the allegory, and then we could have a romping good conversation about it. Or wait till I read the book, and until then, continue to bother me to make sure I actually read said book. That sounds like a lot of work for you, though...

   [disillusioned (J:: M) 2/13/05 6:09 AM]

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